KR150/KIPS/KRR150 old/new model engine differences

so far... no disadvantages... only advantages hehe. Well... at least none that i notice of.

err... ARE YOU SERIOUSLY ASKING ME WHAT IS SM???!!!! omg = =....

Seriously bro. i can only think of S**t Me ... if that what u mean, then no need further explanation... but there is some other technical term for a block, then please explain..hhehe

s*x maniac... aka... main ganas HAHAHAHA

hahaha... i rest my case then...

jay can really talk to the machine...

SM stands for Sadism And Masochism in which one person dominates another who is considered submissive. A sadist is one who is gratified by inflicting physical or emotional pain on the other person. A masochists, in one who receives pleasure from the physical or emotional pain inflicted by the other partner.

jayjeffrey wrote:thats what i did, i used a washer actually, just a really small one, approx 3mm gap opening on only half of the box as i was worried that the filter wouldnt stay in place.

Is the TM35 flat slide? and yeah, 34mm is pretty hard to tune and like you say, will be eventually forced to use some big-ass jets, i think ill prolly go down to 32mm. TZMs 30mm carbs are just nice actually... then again, theres always "room" for more... =X

I have access to a dyno machine that belonged to my friend, so it really helped in jetting as i can use the fume sensor on the exhaust. Then again, the dyno is for car so i cant strap my bike on, can only use the sensor and ram the bike on a standstill. Far from accurate, but the AF from the fume is a good start to further fine tuning.

With a >34 carb, there is no way you can still use a stock filter if you wanna get sufficient air. So what AF are you getting and what AF are you looking to get?

check it out bro.. in thailand they call it serpico 150se, said that this beast kicked out 43hp, wow! this mean machine can really kill u man!, the carb is a keihin PWL30, ah! it's a gold block.... so, is there any new challenger??

http://kawasakiworld.com/two-strokes/42636-kawasaki-serpico-phamacist.html

totally love it!

turbonoshayabusa wrote:

jayjeffrey wrote:thats what i did, i used a washer actually, just a really small one, approx 3mm gap opening on only half of the box as i was worried that the filter wouldnt stay in place.

Is the TM35 flat slide? and yeah, 34mm is pretty hard to tune and like you say, will be eventually forced to use some big-ass jets, i think ill prolly go down to 32mm. TZMs 30mm carbs are just nice actually... then again, theres always "room" for more... =X

I have access to a dyno machine that belonged to my friend, so it really helped in jetting as i can use the fume sensor on the exhaust. Then again, the dyno is for car so i cant strap my bike on, can only use the sensor and ram the bike on a standstill. Far from accurate, but the AF from the fume is a good start to further fine tuning.

With a >34 carb, there is no way you can still use a stock filter if you wanna get sufficient
air. So what AF are you getting and what AF are you looking to get?

Thats the issue where carb sucks completely vs injection. Its pretty much impossible to get a perfect(or at least close) AF all round rpms. Somehow you still have to compromise something to gain its counterpart. Ah... how i wish its injection... 3D AF and ignition mapping...

Also, another factor came in for the AF, 2T also contributes and somewhat leans out the AF, so its really hard to tell the exact AF with just the fume sensor...

khor wrote:check it out bro.. in thailand they call it serpico 150se, said that this beast kicked out 43hp, wow! this mean machine can really kill u man!, the carb is a keihin PWL30, ah! it's a gold block.... so, is there any new challenger??

http://kawasakiworld.com/two-strokes/42636-kawasaki-serpico-phamacist.html

totally love it!

Is it really 43hp? i pretty much doubt its really 43bhp... even so, i think the PDK gold block isnt contributing much to it. The PDK block is also one of the most overrated superkips parts... well.. just my opinion.

khor wrote:check it out bro.. in thailand they call it serpico 150se, said that this beast kicked out 43hp, wow! this mean machine can really kill u man!, the carb is a keihin PWL30, ah! it's a gold block.... so, is there any new challenger??

http://kawasakiworld.com/two-strokes/42636-kawasaki-serpico-phamacist.html

totally love it!

43hp with a pwl30 carb and gold block? Seems unlikely to me... and unless he changed his magneto to a ZSR's one which has a shorter pick-up pulsar sensor to match that new block, he's gonna screw his engine up...

[quote="jayjeffrey"]

turbonoshayabusa wrote:

jayjeffrey wrote:thats what i did, i used a washer actually, just a really small one, approx 3mm gap opening on only half of the box as i was worried that the filter wouldnt stay in place.

Is the TM35 flat slide? and yeah, 34mm is pretty hard to tune and like you say, will be eventually forced to use some big-ass jets, i think ill prolly go down to 32mm. TZMs 30mm carbs are just nice actually... then again, theres always "room" for more... =X

I have access to a dyno machine that belonged to my friend, so it really helped in jetting as i can use the fume sensor on the exhaust. Then again, the dyno is for car so i cant strap my bike on, can only use the sensor and ram the bike on a standstill. Far from accurate, but the AF from the fume is a good start to further fine tuning.

With a >34 carb, there is no way you can still use a stock filter if you wanna get sufficient
air. So what AF are you getting and what AF are you looking to get?

Thats the issue where carb sucks completely vs injection. Its pretty much impossible to get a perfect(or at least close) AF all round rpms. Somehow you still have to compromise something to gain its counterpart. Ah... how i wish its injection... 3D AF and ignition mapping...

Also, another factor came in for the AF, 2T also contributes and somewhat leans out the AF, so its really hard to tell the exact AF with just the fume sensor...

In reality,2T doesn't affect the af ratio...but since you are getting the readings off the fumes, it could affect the af readings. Also, have you ridden a stroker that is fuel injected? It's crap, just like the Bimota V-Due... :)Seemed to like have a mind of it's own, mind you.....

Serpico 150SE part 2..

i doubtful too.. yup turbonos,ur rite!!... pretty heavy mod is the way to go if it's really 43hp, and one of them is the cdi racing kit unit, in 2 stroke tech u need to retard the spark timing when the max enjin speed increases, any modification which significantly raises d peak hp output of a 2stroke usually results in higher piston crown & cylinder head temp, a hot fuel charge burns more rapidly, so d ignition advance need to be reduced.

spec sheet in japanese.. standard factory machine 40hp@11k rpm, comp ratio 8:1


jay, correct x3... the gold block is a 1724, most probably the port time/area & timing is a total different profile from ours 1878,
wonder what is the exhaust port duration for 1724??


check out the exhaust chamber.. seems like d tune length is much shorter and with a very long stinger section... hmm.. i think by now u guys should know where d 40 horses came abt...

can i know, there have sell second hand ninja KRR 150 SE?? can pm me

ninjaKRR wrote:can i know, there have sell second hand ninja KRR 150 SE?? can pm me

OK but wrong thread buddy..try to look in calssifields...

The Serpico SE to a KRZ is like some sort of a ZSR Cyclone to a ZSR. The 40 horses stated there is at the crank, and even so it very optimistic. Getting 43 rear wheel horse power for a Kips is as high as anything will go before the engine crumbles to bits.

A side note, between the Serpico SE nd the Cyclone, I would gladly stick to the Cyclone becuse of weight issues...

turbonoshayabusa wrote:

ADREY wrote:

turbonoshayabusa wrote:Also when a brochure says a bike is producing 40hp, remember that the numbers is AT THE CRANK and those numbers are VERY VERY VERY optimistic. Take away ~15% and you will get the rear wheel hp IF you bike is in immaculate condition. Also very important is the temperature, the humidity, the elavation of that place of dyno not forgetting things like wheel-slip, chain condition, dyno accuracy, etc. All these factors can and will give you a a totally different reading maybe by until 30% of your original hp number. So imagine if your bike should be making 30hp at the rear wheel, readings will show maybe 21hp or even 39hp at the machine. It all depends...

SALAM FERNO

It's a small world ain't it....

ferNO seem so slow nowdays, need to be dyno...

khor wrote:Serpico 150SE part 2..

i doubtful too.. yup turbonos,ur rite!!... pretty heavy mod is the way to go if it's really 43hp, and one of them is the cdi racing kit unit, in 2 stroke tech u need to retard the spark timing when the max enjin speed increases, any modification which significantly raises d peak hp output of a 2stroke usually results in higher piston crown & cylinder head temp, a hot fuel charge burns more rapidly, so d ignition advance need to be reduced.

spec sheet in japanese.. standard factory machine 40hp@11k rpm, comp ratio 8:1


jay, correct x3... the gold block is a 1724, most probably the port time/area & timing is a total different profile from ours 1878,
wonder what is the exhaust port duration for 1724??


check out the exhaust chamber.. seems like d tune length is much shorter and with a very long stinger section... hmm.. i think by now u guys should know where d 40 horses came abt...

1724 x pernah nampak, 1855 gold ada nampak depan mata kat moto, tapi bukan moto aku

alep wrote:

khor wrote:Serpico 150SE part 2..

i doubtful too.. yup turbonos,ur rite!!... pretty heavy mod is the way to go if it's really 43hp, and one of them is the cdi racing kit unit, in 2 stroke tech u need to retard the spark timing when the max enjin speed increases, any modification which significantly raises d peak hp output of a 2stroke usually results in higher piston crown & cylinder head temp, a hot fuel charge burns more rapidly, so d ignition advance need to be reduced.

spec sheet in japanese.. standard factory machine 40hp@11k rpm, comp ratio 8:1


jay, correct x3... the gold block is a 1724, most probably the port time/area & timing is a total different profile from ours 1878,
wonder what is the exhaust port duration for 1724??


check out the exhaust chamber.. seems like d tune length is much shorter and with a very long stinger section... hmm.. i think by now u guys should know where d 40 horses came abt...

1724 x pernah nampak, 1855 gold ada nampak depan mata kat moto, tapi bukan moto aku

please speak in english...this is english discussion...

kipas wrote:

alep wrote:

khor wrote:Serpico 150SE part 2..

i doubtful too.. yup turbonos,ur rite!!... pretty heavy mod is the way to go if it's really 43hp, and one of them is the cdi racing kit unit, in 2 stroke tech u need to retard the spark timing when the max enjin speed increases, any modification which significantly raises d peak hp output of a 2stroke usually results in higher piston crown & cylinder head temp, a hot fuel charge burns more rapidly, so d ignition advance need to be reduced.

spec sheet in japanese.. standard factory machine 40hp@11k rpm, comp ratio 8:1


jay, correct x3... the gold block is a 1724, most probably the port time/area & timing is a total different profile from ours 1878,
wonder what is the exhaust port duration for 1724??


check out the exhaust chamber.. seems like d tune length is much shorter and with a very long stinger section... hmm.. i think by now u guys should know where d 40 horses came abt...

1724 x pernah nampak, 1855 gold ada nampak depan mata kat moto, tapi bukan moto aku

please speak in english...this is english discussion...

sori admin, i dont reckoned myself at english section, fool of me

kipas wrote:

alep wrote:

khor wrote:Serpico 150SE part 2..

i doubtful too.. yup turbonos,ur rite!!... pretty heavy mod is the way to go if it's really 43hp, and one of them is the cdi racing kit unit, in 2 stroke tech u need to retard the spark timing when the max enjin speed increases, any modification which significantly raises d peak hp output of a 2stroke usually results in higher piston crown & cylinder head temp, a hot fuel charge burns more rapidly, so d ignition advance need to be reduced.

spec sheet in japanese.. standard factory machine 40hp@11k rpm, comp ratio 8:1


jay, correct x3... the gold block is a 1724, most probably the port time/area & timing is a total different profile from ours 1878,
wonder what is the exhaust port duration for 1724??


check out the exhaust chamber.. seems like d tune length is much shorter and with a very long stinger section... hmm.. i think by now u guys should know where d 40 horses came abt...

1724 x pernah nampak, 1855 gold ada nampak depan mata kat moto, tapi bukan moto aku

please speak in english...this is english discussion...

You are so garang la Kipas... or should I call you Fan in the English section... hahahahahahahaha!

turbonoshayabusa wrote:

kipas wrote:

alep wrote:

khor wrote:Serpico 150SE part 2..

i doubtful too.. yup turbonos,ur rite!!... pretty heavy mod is the way to go if it's really 43hp, and one of them is the cdi racing kit unit, in 2 stroke tech u need to retard the spark timing when the max enjin speed increases, any modification which significantly raises d peak hp output of a 2stroke usually results in higher piston crown & cylinder head temp, a hot fuel charge burns more rapidly, so d ignition advance need to be reduced.

spec sheet in japanese.. standard factory machine 40hp@11k rpm, comp ratio 8:1


jay, correct x3... the gold block is a 1724, most probably the port time/area & timing is a total different profile from ours 1878,
wonder what is the exhaust port duration for 1724??


check out the exhaust chamber.. seems like d tune length is much shorter and with a very long stinger section... hmm.. i think by now u guys should know where d 40 horses came abt...

1724 x pernah nampak, 1855 gold ada nampak depan mata kat moto, tapi bukan moto aku

please speak in english...this is english discussion...

You are so garang la Kipas... or should I call you Fan in the English section... hahahahahahahaha!

Respect the English Head master..pleaseeee

Update update..

this is KRR150SE from japan, look at the spec and the dyno test result.. 41.4hp@11,600rpm & 2.6kg-m beb.. big torque isn't it??... this is wat i'm talking abt.. the real monster energy!! NSR SP kiss my ass..!!

http://www2.tbb.t-com.ne.jp/krr150/KRR150SE.html

khor wrote:Update update..

this is KRR150SE from japan, look at the spec and the dyno test result.. 41.4hp@11,600rpm & 2.6kg-m beb.. big torque isn't it??... this is wat i'm talking abt.. the real monster energy!! NSR SP kiss my ass..!!

http://www2.tbb.t-com.ne.jp/krr150/KRR150SE.html

Now I have to find a person that knows how to read Japanese...damn!

But seeing that it is Tsukigi tuned, its not impossible at all to get those figures...

turbonoshayabusa wrote:

khor wrote:Update update..

this is KRR150SE from japan, look at the spec and the dyno test result.. 41.4hp@11,600rpm & 2.6kg-m beb.. big torque isn't it??... this is wat i'm talking abt.. the real monster energy!! NSR SP kiss my ass..!!

http://www2.tbb.t-com.ne.jp/krr150/KRR150SE.html

Now I have to find a person that knows how to read Japanese...damn!

But seeing that it is Tsukigi tuned, its not impossible at all to get those figures...

try using the google translator... but u'll get bunch of nonsense coming out..ha..ha..

yup bro, can be done.. just that v need all those super hot parts by PDK racing.. and there u go...

khor wrote:

turbonoshayabusa wrote:

khor wrote:Update update..

this is KRR150SE from japan, look at the spec and the dyno test result.. 41.4hp@11,600rpm & 2.6kg-m beb.. big torque isn't it??... this is wat i'm talking abt.. the real monster energy!! NSR SP kiss my ass..!!

http://www2.tbb.t-com.ne.jp/krr150/KRR150SE.html

Now I have to find a person that knows how to read Japanese...damn!

But seeing that it is Tsukigi tuned, its not impossible at all to get those figures...

try using the google translator... but u'll get bunch of nonsense coming out..ha..ha..

yup bro, can be done.. just that v need all those super hot parts by PDK racing.. and there u go...

Try to google translate PERODUA KANCIL AND PERODUA KELISA from Malay to English and tell me what you get bro...